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if you can find space in your cupboard. that is how fox reports on the first sunday of january 6, i am jon scott thank you for joining us "fox news sunday" starts now. chris: days 16 shutdown president trump is still deadlocked over the border wall. . >>. >> absolutely i said that. >> i'm proud to do what i am doing. >> with nancy pelosi back as speaker what are the new challenges facing the president? we will find out what democrats want to accomplish
plus president trump takes incoming on both sides. >> i am not waiting to see who i endorse in 2020 and waiting to see the alternative. >> asking the sunday panel about an even tougher road for the president and washington and the power players to new members of congress and how they are working across the aisle to get things done. >> you are serving you know, what you're doing and why you are doing it. >> that polarization is taking us apart. chris: right now on "fox news sunday". hello from fox news in washington. president trump said the government shutdown could go on for months or years. with the standoff over the border wall in the third week white house officials met to work towards a deal but
prospects remain damn as the majority seems determined to stand up to president trump in a moment we will speak with sarah sanders white house press secretary but first live at the white house with the latest on talks between the two sides. >> with no end to the shutdown insight they will join the president today for the 2019 agenda strategy session. . >> from the situation room the rose garden the eisenhower executive office building crafted a forward leaning posture but for all the tweets and crime statistics and letters to congress imploring lawmakers to fund border security a realization has
cast a pall with no sign of movement of negotiations the partial government shutdown is unlikely to end anytime soon. >> it's very hard to see how progress will be made. >> 16 days into the shutdown it is clear cooler heads have not prevailed and the president turned up the heat to consider using a national emergency if democrats won't avert - - budget. >> i haven't done it i may do it. i may do it. >> while camp david is remaining in washington will be vice president mike pence he will be here for another working discussion with congressional democrats who are here with their staffers hoping to find a way to end the shutdown. chris: kevin reporting from the white house. thank you. joining me here in the studio white house press secretary sarah sanders.
>> great to be with you. chris: what is the latest on the negotiations? did they make any progress? remix on the fact that they are sitting down at the table's progress in and of itself but they have a long way to go democrat said the first thing the individuals is we are not here to make an agreement so this is the beginning of a conversation that has a lot to be worked out and continue to make progress but at the end of the day democrats have said over and over they support border security and protecting american citizens now they need to fulfill those statements to get this done. >> that going back to friday the president meant what he said he is prepared to
continue the shutdown for months or years? . >> he isn't fighting for the wall but the protection of american citizens he wants the wall and a number of other things have a completely broken system not just safety and security but a humanitarian crisis terrace that come across our border there has to be a stop to that. not just the wall that is an important factor we know the places it has been 95 percent effective and that includes other technology. chris: he meant what he said you did not answer my question he is prepared to continue the fight for months or years? we making means what he says but that would be outrageous for democrats to agree with the president but it is so
incomprehensible they agree with the president with border security they are just unwilling to let the president when they care more than fighting the president. chris: so now let's talk about caring about americans because those eight agencies unrelated to the wall that would get them going right now and the question is why not find those agencies that have nothing to do with the border wall and now hold those hundreds of thousands of federal workers in those services they provide hostage? . >> that government wants to fund the government and open the government. but we have been having this debate for years at some point you have to say enough is
enough to be reasonable which we have put forth in good faith multiple offers to democrats to say let's make a deal. let's have a discussion and get to someplace we agree let's do this again. >> i'm not talking about homeland security you can continue to fight about that but why hold agriculture hostage? why hold the treasury department hostage? they have nothing to do with the border wall. >> they want to focus getting all of these packages done. >> also look that's not the budget that we submitted either. >> i'm not saying we oppose those six but to make it like this we want to negotiate but at the same time you cannot just keep passing the buck it
is a major point of contention let's work that out if this goes even into february it starts to hurt real people. take a look at the sarah. federal tax refunds will be delayed and food stamps will be cut. millions of people will lose rental assistance payments and union leaders say hundreds of tsa workers are already off the job because they cannot afford to get to work. president trump thinks the border wall is worth all of that quick. >> the president doesn't want any of those things to happen but he also doesn't want to make a phone call i key made earlier this week where he spoke to officer widow from california because the illegal immigrant came across the border to kill him in cold blood that should not happen when we know we can help prevent every life that is what sets america apart it is
what makes us unique in the day that we stopped doing that even one or 1000 not only are people like that coming across the southern border it comes through the southern border and 300 americans are killed. a look across the board. chris: no question there has been a big spike of those family units coming across the border. the president talks about terrorists potentially and here is secretary of homeland security nielsen. >> it is the special interest aliens try to come in through the southern border these that the intel community has concern. chris: especially coming from
countries that they are not terrorist themselves but the state department says, their words, no credible evidence of any terrorist coming across the border from mexico. >> we know roughly 4000 known or suspected terrorist come into the country illegally. . >> i know the statistic but i did not know if you would use it. those 4000 people are captured at airport. >> not always. chris: the state department says no terrace comes through. >> it is by air and land and sea but what you are forgetting that entry that we have is our southern border and we have to protect it. >> it isn't coming across the southern border sarah. >> i am not disagree that they come through airports i say
they come by air and land and sea. and the less that we spend time and money protecting it that human traffickers and those that are coming here to do americans harm. >> this was a revelation on friday that he could go around congress to do the wall on his own. take a look. >> we could call a national emergency. i have it do it. i may do it. i may do it and build it very quickly. chris: how serious is he? has the white house drafted the emergency order that he could announce tomorrow that we will build the wall? has he set a deadline to end
talks? is he really prepared? chris: it's all the same question of how serious is he? will he go off on his own and use money that was authorized for military construction to build a wall instead? . >> the president is prepared to do what it takes to protect the borders and the people of this country. the number one job he has as president and commander-in-chief is to protect his citizens. he doesn't take it seriously whether at the southern border or terrorist coming from whatever way they come to do harm to american he will not be the president he knows himself to be. >> if he has the authority to build the wall of the funds appropriated by military construction without
congressional approval? . >> we are looking at exploring every option available and we are looking at every option we can and will not stop until he figures out the best way to make america safer and more secure. chris: president trump is at camp david today to meet with white house senior officials about his priorities for 2019. what can you tell us about the meeting and agenda? . >> we had an incredible first couple of years with isis on the run the judiciary is made and we have a number of successes over the first two years who want to look how we will build on those going into
2020. chris: top priorities. >> immigration certainly at the forefront that is one of the biggest things we have to get done to secure the border. but fixing the immigration system as a whole the president wants to make sure were looking at all the different things with better infrastructure fighting the opioid crisis and what we could get democrats to work with us and to do more than just to fight to the president and the constituent hopes. chris: thank you and coming in today always good to talk to you. >> great to be here. >> reaction from the top house democrat what is their plan and what about those calls to impeach the president? hotic to relieve foot, knee, or lower back pain so you can move more. dr. scholl's. born to move.
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chris: house immigrants have the ambitious agenda as the majority from infrastructure to health care to investigations of the trump administration but the first priority is to end the government shutdown. joining us now from rhode island the chair of the house democratic policy and communications committee. what is the latest on where negotiations stand? are yours compromising with the president on the border wall or are you demanding his surrender? . >> no but that the government needs to be reopened those that were cast unanimously by the senate.
and that the president changed his mind at the last minute so we're trying to isolate the disagreement so we are passing the republican path forward in a bipartisan way with republicans and democrats and sent that to the senate. open up the government with a short-term expansion so we can solve the disagreement that we need to reopen the government. chris: lets me interrupt. speaker pelosi and democratic senate leader has been hinting at this is that the democratic view now there can be no negotiations on the border wall until the president agrees to reopen the rest of the government? . >> we believe the government must reopen immediately there are real consequences.
not only to the federal workers but to the country with food stamps, tax refunds, safety at airports , tsa, there are consequences to the prolonged shutdown and that is impacting small business and people's lives. open the government there is a bipartisan agreement on funding so let's isolate the disagreement. chris: let's talk about the merits of a border wall. here is what speaker pelosi say says. >> we are not doing a wall. we are not doing a wall. in my view is the immorality. it is a waste of money and opportunity cost to protect american people but it is a diversionary tactic on the part of the president. chris: so i want to ask a specific question so why is a wall in moral?
i'm not asking ineffective or how to be spent to better but she keeps saying it is in moral. whether wall or a fence around the white house people build them around their homes why is it immoral? . >> i think with the speaker is saying that we believe in securing our borders we appropriated one.$7 billion over the last two years for border security the department spent less than 6 percent. but we are prepared to do more but why. chris: but why is the wall in moral? that is a question the speaker has to answer that it doesn't reflect our values as a country we welcome refugees and immigrants people fleeing violence but the real part of that is it is not cost-effective it doesn't achieve the objective intimate it - - americans are committed
and what the resources to do it. use technology for drones or satellite or cargo inspections. do things that will secure the border. chris: talk about the effectiveness. the president of national border patrol council and has been an agent 21 years. this is what he says. >> anywhere that you look where we have built walls , they have worked. they have been an absolute necessity for border patrol agents to secure the border. chris: he has been on the frontlines for two decades. he says the walls work. >> i think no question there are places we have walls and fencing and other barriers. good border security is a combination but what we heard from the president he want
this big great concrete wall 1000 miles. chris: no, no, no. now he's talking about steel fencing. >> the reality is it is a fight the president has created to distract from the real issues he faces. republicans control the house and the senate for two years of this is such an important part why did he do it at the beginning of the administration? because the defense secretary left the rebuke of his foreign policy, national security advisor sentencing hearing blew up, his foundation was closed down the gentleman heading the isis effort resigned so he shuts the government down and has distracted all of the attention from those pressing issues. chris: even "the washington post" today said there is now a crisis at the border a dramatic spike of family units
coming across the southern border. december 2017 the border patrol apprehended 7000 family units at the southwest border this past november they had 25000 family units coming across. look at the recent incidents of border patrol agents firing tear gas. those that want to climb the fence throwing rocks at the agents the president is not making this up. >> the reality is it is a complicated problem that requires a sophisticated answer. the incoming chief of staff in the outgoing chief of staff have both said it doesn't solve this problem we have to have comprehensive immigration refor reform, we need to use technology. we want to secure the border and respond to these challenges but in a way that will work and achieve the
objective. open the government these other departments have nothing to do with this do not punish the american people if you don't get your way. chris: i got that. i have two minutes left. the president said on friday he has a right and will consider to declare a national emergency and build the wall on his own without congressional approval using funds that were appropriated for military construction. if he does that what do democrats do? . >> i don't think the president has that authority he has to meet a high standard article one establishes the responsibility to appropriate money i don't think he has the ability to do that and i hope he will continue to try to work with congress to resolve this disagreement but open the government first. when republicans and the senate come to their senses to
recognize we should not be shutting down the government if they do not get their way. chris: freshman congresswoman i know you are expecting this question, said this on thursday night. >> mama loves you and i said they don't. we are going to go in there. chris: what do you think of the language and the idea of moving right away to impeach president trump? . >> democrats ran on the agenda for the people to drive down health care cost and prescription drugs and raise family incomes. chris: i got all that. but specifically? . >> we need to move forward on our agenda at the same time our caucus is big and diverse people are bringing their passions to reflect the strong feelings of their constituents. a number of people that should move quickly.
but please report so we know all the facts before we take action. chris: yes or no do you condemn that language? . >> looked. it is odd for those that would not condemn the presidents language now to suddenly be clutching their pearls over the use of that language. she can use whatever language is appropriate but the fundamental issue is they are fighting for the people of this country and we will do oversight responsibilities in a serious way. chris: congressman thank you for your time please come back. >> i will. chris: how long will the shut down drag on? and when will most americans start to feel the pain? the hard work you put into lowering your
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dangerous, horrible disaster. we have done a great job that you cannot do the kind of job we have to do to have a major powerful barrier. . >> on the democratic side we cannot resolve this and we have made that very clear to the president. chris: president trump and house speaker giving talks to end the partial government shutdown to resolve the fight through border wall. and now former republican congressman chief it's - - che fits and marie harp from fox news radio and jonah goldberg from the national review. congressman that was interesting development senate
republicans are up for reelection are beginning to break with the president to reopen the government. colorado, maine and north carolina. when do you see the shutdown ending? . >> i wish i had that magic ball but the democrats have put themselves in a tough box because the president is on the side of national security. and doing with the border patrol wants to do. 60000 people were apprehended in november and when border patrol says we have to have an impediment to slow them down we have done in the past and it works that is a compelling argument and gardener is a great member of the senate but congress always gravitates to deadlines and pressure points and that is what will get this solved the desire to solve this now rather than down the
road. chris: are democrats in the hole and need to get out? . >> i don't think so i think most americans agree this is the presidents shut down with hundreds of thousands of federal workers are held hostage and not just them it's the people who contract with the federal government people who pay their rent and these are the pressure points to move this. and to continue this over and immigration argument that is not proving to be effective. we have seen with 10000 breaches of certain sectors of the wall rather than taking
that money that would provide real border security that seems like a better way to go and the government shutdown to hardball these people that will come back to hurt them. chris: [laughter] but if nancy pelosi says tomorrow we will give you the money tomorrow she is thrown out as a speaker the caucus would not stand for that of the president tells the base i gave you that then his base turns on him so is that a surrender to lay down those instruments for but whether
daca or dreamers or temporary protected status? . >> that is part of the irony the fight is purely symbolic now. if they win we lose that if he gets anything he can claim victory for but the irony is that there are serious public policy compromises with daca like my friend who argued for e-verify that are much more important than a wall. chris: e-verify is shut down right now as part of the government that people can use to check if somebody is here legally. >> but the pressure points is if you posture that airports start shutting down and that
is where the pressure starts to build and that is where they start to buckle overflowing garbage cans isn't exactly the scene from mad max. but as time goes by those of the pressure points to see senators get weak in the knees. chris: i will ask you for prediction but the political story is the house went back to the democrats and pelosi regains the speakership after eight years in the minority and the first to regain the gavel since the fifties here she was on thursday. . >> to be transparent and bipartisan and unifying. to reach across the aisle in this chamber and across our
nation. . >> whatever you think of her policies she is clearly a hack of a politician how effective to be dealing with the president on other issues? . >> absolutely they underestimated her ability with the numbers that she got and ocasio-cortez voted for her is a symbol that she could win back that speakership in a way that showed her strength and legislative abilities but what the democratic house done is to get corruption out of washington and the tax bill to reopen the government so they said they are not here to play they have the agenda they will push it forward. i think she will have some challenges for these democrats who rewind the house she is a moderate but if you combine
tha that. chris: dad is now how we refer to alexandria ocasio-cortez is now alc. [laughter] . >> with the democrats can bring those numbers together as long as donald trump is in the white house she will be effective and has shown not to hold the line. >> so on friday the shutdown would be the longest in history will the shutdown still be going on? . >> it will still be going on that next pressure point with the "state of the union" at the end of january. >> i think it will go to that point. >> republicans they are on the
right side of the argument anything about the border is on the right side. >> i think it will go a couple more weeks but when this starts to be felt in people's homes or communities at the airports than the president will cave and they will find a way to help him cave a little less painfully. >> i hope the democrats get something like daca out of this the more real people that feel this cannot pay rent but for the "state of the union" that is crazy. >> i think it goes after the "state of the union" and they will find a way for everyone to have a victory. chris: i do think that is sensible it cannot be a complete surrender but a compromise. we have to take a break
mitt romney controversial article to say the president has not risen to the mantle of the office which got a lot of attention. congressman you were from utah so what do you make of mitt romney even before he was sworn in with an op-ed at "the washington post" that basically says the president is not living up to his responsibilities and what is the reaction? . >> candidate romney did not talk like this he accepted his endorsement in october and was asked the question and said he put the past behind him and is looking forward and he is elected to represent the state of utah that created a problem that was the unforced air. chris: why did he do it? . >> i don't think it will do anything or accomplish things
i don't know why he would do that before he was sworn in and people are scratching their hea head. chris: we ask the panel b have a lot of head scratching and mike johnson said this when did he switch to the democrat party because obviously he is no longer a republican is he positioning himself to challenge for the 2020 nomination? . >> in response to the first question there are some members of the party that feel there isn't room in public discourse for republicans to criticize trump if that's the direction they are going at some point they will no longer be a true national party but the 30 percent trump base. it's interesting what the senate does as things get more
difficult for the president. i don't think romney will challenge trump in 2020. i do think k-6 might or flake might that all depends on the report the hundred pound gorilla in the room then you will see republicans make some decisions regarding the primary. chris: and we talked about this before freshman congresswoman from michigan and her attack this week on the president and president trump's response. >> we will go in there and teach that. >> she dishonored herself and her family. chris: clearly in the very first week the house democrats took over and have done careful things with messaging stepped on their message the fact that cable news has feasted on this.
what do you think of that and the fact that this really indicates how much trouble nancy pelosi will have controlling the firebrands in her party? . >> that's right. the expletives which she should apologize for i don't think president trump has either missed credibility condemning that language or this discourse but then there is the actual apology issue of the impeachment issue. nancy pelosi's challenge she didn't do very well the last time to move legislation that peels off republicans and the one thing for neat one - - at least for now prior to the report is the impeachment stuff if it is that version from the republican party of just the anti- trump party than that will unify the
caucus. chris: so stay quiet about impeachment that is there long-term interest and then one - - until there's a reason to talk about it. chris: but in fairness the house of judiciary committee where the issue of impeachment would come up said the same thing. >> but that's not what the rank and file want. they want to be always trump all trump party the rank-and-file wants to always be anti- trump party. chris: what do you make of her statement and what about the house democratic caucus to move right now to impeach donald trump? . >> you would be hard-pressed to disavow anything jonah said. i spent a lot of time worried about politics at large and that people that he is now
given everyone license to use this language i think that is wrong i don't think democrats can arguably argue against him by acting like him neither can he criticize the democrats. i wish he would not have use that language but the bigger issue is the talk of impeachment and it is premature the house leadership agrees with that. most members understand that politicalization of impeachment to do it is a very dangerous path. this is a very relevant conversation and bob mueller will let everybody know when that is. but until then they have a policy agenda to stand up to and they have an election. to beat donald trump the best way to do that is a mandate to
beat him at the ballot box. they did that in 2018 and now 2020 that is where the energy needs focused. chris: a very interesting moment on friday because president trump came out to the rose garden after meeting with pelosi and said she assured me there is no interest to impeach me and she immediately pushed back and said she never said that she just said this meeting is about reopening the government not impeachment so that indicated she and her people are very sensitive about the fact not appearing to tamp down or they don't want to tamp down on democrats who want to impeach. >> that's right but they always condition that with the leadership on the mueller report. like clinton or stiers so they will keep it on the table.
with two new members of the 116h congress to get their fresh ideas. we sat down with the congressman from michigan who served three tours in iraq with the cia and one on the special ops team that captured saddam hussein. they are the power players of the week. chris: welcome to "fox news sunday". >> we are delighted to be here. >> you both talk about trying to get things done and compromise with the gridlock in washington. be specific. >> the perfect example is the government shutdown we have the basis of the deal. both sides they care about border security and we believe a national security and to have those negotiations over border forces more technology at the border technology
doesn't have to just to be a wall that is the essence of the negotiation but we can start now. chris: talking about the issues but i'm talking about attitude because there are problems and people have known about a possible solution for a long time but it never gets done. why not? . >> i think what we as a freshman class bring , particularly the congresswoman and i is service to the country she is prior military and so am i and we want solutions we are sick and tired of this not happening in our constituents sent us to get it done so we are rolling up our sleeves to get it done. chris: to pick up on that because as a special operations flight surgeon in iraq and part of the capture of saddam hussein and you served four years in the cia and presidents bush 43 and obama, what is the one thing you take from your service
with national security? . >> for me is you have a mission when you are serving you wake up every day you know, what you are doing and why you are doing it is no different in congress some people treated as if they don't have a mission they are there for themselves or for show but to make sure the people remember they are to get something done and pass legislation is the most important thing. chris: there are well-intentioned people behind me but it doesn't get done take the shutdown of the wall the president says it has to be a wall or a version of it and nancy pelosi said that is immoral but how do you compromise on the rhetoric? . >> i think we find some common ground what is border security and we get it done. that's what we have to do. the president has looked at this and said this is what we need to do.
i am supporting him in this effort. >> literally life is about negotiation nobody risks their lives to say i will unilaterally define what happened so negotiate kick out the camera and get something done. chris: where are you both on donald trump? are the democrats being too anti- trump? to make the ten or in the town the president has said it is unbecoming of the country that i love. that is critically important i don't like policy by twitter but just because it comes from the president doesn't mean you don't have the responsibility to legislate if we are only anti- trump we are not doing our job. chris: on the other hand, you said you cannot imagine an issue where you would differ with donald trump. >> so far every action he has taken from cutting taxes to create massive growth in our stay in tennessee to one of the biggest pay raises of our soldiers in over two years.
i think the actions he has taken are spectacular i cannot see an area i would disagree with him at this point. chris: what about the tone? . >> i think maybe in some cases there are better ways to say things but again i 100 percent support the actions. chris: over the next two years, how confident are you that you can change washington instead of phosgene ten changing you quick. >> we have over 100 new members in a body of 435 with that many new people the cultural change. it will not be easy i have seen that already people trying to get you to be very apolitical to salute the party instead of country you have to be strong enough to push back and say no. we will not do it that way.
. >> i came from a dirt road in a small rural town my friends will not let me go off the rails. many years in the military those that went to combat with said what are you thinking if i do make the wrong decision. people that would fight like cats and dogs and then got in the evening and have a scotch and we need to get back to doing that and become friends maybe not agree but but those relationships is what is missing right now and i would want to be a part of fixing that. >> i will suggest beer. [laughter] . >> good luck we will have you back and see how it goes. chris: we wish them luck as they continue to serve our country in their new roles. that is it for today. have a great week we will see
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